>> geraldo: do you believe you will get widespread popular support? where will the phoenix us, will it all be in washington, d.c. or -- nexus, in washington, d.c. or every franchise everywhere? >> be everywhere, absolutely. >> geraldo: what is the point you are making? >> the point we are making is gun control hasn't worked. there are 20,000 laws on the books right now, over 20,000 laws on gun control and they failed in aurora. they failed in the sikh temple. they failed in newtown. and there is how many more laws are we going to add? 40,000 laws, 60,000 laws? how many laws s it going to take before criminals start following them? >> geraldo: let me ask you this larry and margot i will ask you the following. you you can argue whether sales should be restricted.